Something instead of nothing

1:  Why is there something instead of nothing?

3:  Given an infinite amount of opportunities anything can emerge from the chaos, including our world. 

1:  But why are there infinite somethings compelled with energy, rather than nothing?

3:  There was no beginning, our universe probably burst forth from another universe and so on.  It has always been so.

1:  But where did the first universe come from?

3:  Not everything has an answer yet, but no doubt it will be explained with the advance of scientific knowledge.  Even if the goal is not reached, there is no need to include supernatural causes in the equation.  Logic requires we deal with verifiable facts, adopting the most efficient explanation.

1:  Time does not make sense.  The existence of things does not make sense.  Can we not postulate the existence of something beyond time and space that created everything?  Can we call this God?

3:  There is no need to do so.  We may not know what the variable x is yet, but we should not start invoking imaginary entities.

1:  Something doesn’t feel right.

3:  There is no evidence for the existence of a God or Gods, the world is explicable in terms of scientific explanation.

1:  The fact is I have always believed in God, it’s not a considered opinion or the product of upbringing, it’s just what has been instinctive to me.

3:  Ok well a cognitive scientist may explain this as a natural propensity to religiosity, there by natural selection to give a purpose for the survival of the organism. 

1:  Is there any meaning?

3:  A person may look at the nature of the universe, see the randomness of outcomes, the cruelty and enormous suffering and decide there is no benevolence at work here.  They may look at evolution by natural selection and decide there is no plan here.  The universe, although magnificent, does not care about us – we must make our own way and make our own meaning in the brief window of opportunity for existence. 

1:  Suddenly you’re speaking with feeling, maybe your outlook is motivated through sympathy and outrage at the sufferings in the world.

3:  It is logic replacing delusion.  Myths and fairy stories aren’t needed any more.

1:  I admire your beliefs more than belief systems motivated out of fear or desire for self reward.  I don’t care what you believe as long as your actions are kind.

3:  My conclusions are not beliefs.  Religious delusions have been the cause of so much of the worst in humanity.

1:  Religions are subject to corruption, yet the spiritual path can be found in the different traditions.

3:  A God is not necessary to be spiritual, to behave with morality and to appreciate beauty in Nature.

1:  You do have a belief system.  You believe the universe ultimately has no purpose and its existence can be completely explained by rules contained within itself; when in fact there is no way of knowing the ultimate causes of things.

You believe the answer to the mystery of existence is that there isn’t one.

3:  I am offering the most logical approach to understanding the world.

1:  I don’t believe the world would exist without a purpose.  I believe in the possibility of a reality beyond this reality, beyond cause and effect, time and space.

In this life I see the purpose as feeling connected with the world, being present and alive, feeling love, creativity, beauty and joy.

The true reality of experience may run far deeper than what our senses show us.

3:  I deal with facts and what can be observed, not imagined.

1:  Reality is tenuous – it can be anything depending on what our senses show us.  Whether what they are showing is objectively real is unknowable.  I think you have too much faith in the material surface reality of things, a reality that in itself does not seem complete.

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